The Hottest Thing You Can Be Is Yourself

Hot Girl Summer is back.

But what if it doesn't have to mean the same thing for everyone?

For some women, Hot Girl Summer means fitness goals, beach vacations, girls' trips, and finally wearing the outfit they've been saving for the perfect occasion. For others, it means rest, healing, family time, personal growth, adventure, focus, or simply doing more of what makes them happy.

In this fun and lighthearted episode, Katy and Rebecca explore how the meaning of Hot Girl Summer has evolved over the years and why confidence may be the one thing every version has in common.

Together, they discuss:

•  What Hot Girl Summer meant growing up versus what it means now 
•  The pressure women have historically faced around appearance and perfection 
•  Why confidence matters more than comparison 
•  Body positivity, self-expression, and defining success on your own terms 
•  Summer traditions, family memories, and making time for what matters 
•  The importance of rest, joy, and reconnecting with yourself 
•  Why the best version of Hot Girl Summer is the one that feels authentic to you 

Whether your summer is focused on travel, family, fitness, business goals, personal growth, or simply slowing down and enjoying life, this conversation is a reminder that there is no one right way to do summer.

The goal isn't to become someone else.

The goal is to become more unapologetically yourself.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the No Filter, No Apologies podcast with Rebecca Sachs and Katie Shapiro. All right, Becca, let's talk about hot girl summer because it is June and every year this phrase comes back around. I kind of love it. I didn't used to. And I don't love it because I think every woman needs to suddenly become a swimsuit model by June. I'm certainly not one, but I love it because at its core, Hot Girl Summer was supposed to be fun, like confidence, energy, freedom, feeling good about yourself, living your life a little bit louder, which you know I love, and a little more unapologetically, which I definitely encourage. And somewhere along the way, I think women started defining Hot Girl Summer in completely different ways. So for some women, we've seen, you know, Hot Girl Summer is really about fitness goals or beach vacations and rooftop cocktails, dating, girls' trips, and finally wearing the outfit they've been scared to wear or been working so hard to fit into. And then for other women, Hot Girl Summer sometimes means healing and resting, protecting their peace, spending more time with family, reading books by the pool, going on long walks, logging off, starting over or finally putting themselves first. And I think all of that really counts. So today we're talking about redefining Hot Girl Summer on our own terms, what confidence actually looks like for different women, and why maybe the hottest thing you can do is build a life and a summer that genuinely feels good to you. Okay, so with that, Rebecca, when you hear Hot Girl Summer, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Hello. That's how I that's how I take it. Like, okay, you only live once, and so you gotta take advantage of the summer and do all the things you want to do. Does it ever really happen? Probably not, but I do find myself the older I get, the more time I want to take advantage of and do things because you do only live once and you want to be able to fulfill those desires and not regret not doing them. And summer is always the best time to be a little crazier.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

I don't agree with that at all. When I think hot girl summer, when I think hot girls summer, the first thought in my mind is yeah, because we live in South Florida, it's so hot here. When you walk out of your door to the car, you're sweating already, and like I don't like to be hot, I don't like the heat, and I feel like coming from the northeast to here, I have reverse hibernation. If I could hibernate in the summer, I definitely would because I'm like, I don't want to go out because I want to go out in the winter here because it's so nice. It's like 70, it's great. But hot girl summer to me is just it just means sweat because I feel like we live on the equator. We do, we definitely live on the equator, and yeah, ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

And last weekend it was so hot, it was and it had been so nice and breezy for a while, and then all of a sudden last weekend it was so hot, and I had friends that had people over, and it was like sticky and disgusting. And I where did this come from? How are you?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

And no, and also I'm pale, I'm a pale Irish girl. I cannot leave without 100 SPF in the summer. If I even take a walk without sunscreen, I'm getting burnt. I'm getting sunburnt. So, and I get sunburnt anyway in all seasons, but this summer, every day I have UV alert is extreme. I'm like, yeah, I'm just gonna hibernate for the next few months. But it's always been a challenge too because my kids are off in the summer, or like my son is home from college right now, and so you want to take advantage of that time and YOLO, like you said, and go do things together. But I'm like, can we do things like not outside because yeah, mama's gonna melt?

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Well, I think about especially in summer, I know seven years ago or so in the winter, uh Christian and I went to Colorado to celebrate my 40th. And we had so much fun. There were so many breweries and cool places to explore, but it was really cold. And we really want to go back during the summer. And so I think the reverse hibernation for us Floridians is being able to go to other places in the country where it's not freezing and it's still warm, but then it also is cool at night. So you're not having all of those fun nights, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

You know, a couple years ago, I took my kids to Philly to see where I grew up and do all the historical stuff. And we were walking around the city, yeah, and it was like 94 degrees, and I was not sweating because the humidity is completely different from down here. You walk outside, you're instantly wet. But up there, I was like, it's 94 degrees, and I've not even broken a sweat. Do you understand what our living situation is? Yeah, Florida. So, no, but I do living here, I have a lot of family who love the beach, who love to be in the water, who love like I have a niece who goes to the beach all the time on her day off, and I'm like, that sounds awful. My son loves the beach, his girlfriend loves the beach. They're like, Yeah, let's go. And I'm like, You, I'll pack a bag, have a great time.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

Well, I was gonna say, you're you also have two children that wear shorts, prefer to wear shorts and flip-flops in 50 degree weather all the time. And I feel like they just they um adjust to whatever environment they're in. However, they're always wearing shorts and flip-flops.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Yeah, my daughter refuses to wear pants since she was little. We've had to, we've had to bribe her. Like, you have to wear pants for your chorus performance. She's like, she used to roll them up above her knees, and then when we would get out, pull them back down to wear her pants. But yeah, and my son will he'll send me pictures because he goes to college in the northeast, and he'll be like, it's seven here today, mom. Seven. I'm freezing. And I'll just send him a picture of the palm trees. Like, it's 77 here today. It's like miss you. But I think I'm glad he gets to experience that doll, right? Yeah, that's what I said. I'm like, I'm kill to be where you are. But I think, do you remember when we were younger, it was like Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, everything. So hot girl summer meant you were getting super skinny because in the winter you could wear your hoodies and your jeans and your boots, and you would gain a few pounds, and then come March, you everybody would be on their diets to get ready for the summer so you would look good in your bathing suit or your bikini or whatever, and your low rise jeans.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

That was I was gonna say that those the lows the low rise jeans with your thong hanging out. That was the Christina Brittany phase.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

I hope they never come back.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

And Aaliyah. Aaliyah did it too. I feel like Aaliyah did it first and then everybody else followed.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

I hope low-rise jeans never make a comeback. I know we're reliving a lot of 90s fashion right now, but I just need low rise jeans to not be one of those things.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

I feel like high-rise pants are the thing that's in these days, and they have been for like the past 10 years.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

I don't like those either. I know my niece used to be like, oh no, mom jeans are in. There was that phase. I was like, why are mom jeans?

SPEAKER_01 7:28

No, they are they are still in. They definitely are in.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

I'm all for the baggy jeans, the looser jeans. I like those now. Thank god we've gotten out of the skinny jeans phase, but still. Do you think that there's pressure now to define hot girl summer the same way?

SPEAKER_01 7:49

As like when we were younger, or within the last five years.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Just in general, do you think that there's pressure to be like, no, hot girl summer means you are focusing on your fitness and you're outdoors all the time and you are doing those things, or do you think that women as a community that we've just accepted that hot girl summer means whatever the hell you want it to mean for you, and we support that wholeheartedly?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

I think it's more of uh you interpret it however you interpret it individually. I do think initially it was about being a hot girl in the summer, right? Yeah, and then but I I do think over the last couple years, especially it means different things to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah. What did it mean to you when you were younger? Does it mean the same thing now?

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yeah, I'm trying to think. I feel like Megan Lee Sallian is the one that coined it, but I'm not sure. Um because you know, she always says hot girl in all of her songs. Um, but I feel like in the summer uh previously, like growing up and in my 20s, uh because I lived in the northeast, it was really just going through the seasons because I worked all the time and I went to school all the time when I was in college, you know. I now we did have a lot of snow in Rhode Island, so the summer we would always be in Newport at the beach club all the time. I mean, I was a bunch of hot girls too, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

I spent every summer in Wildwood, New Jersey, from the time I was little because my mom was a teacher, she had all summers, so it was me and my two siblings, and then my three cousins were always with us, and we were it was the kind of days where you would go down onto the beach at nine o'clock in the morning and you didn't leave until dinner time almost, and we had the outdoor shower at the place we rented, and ever all the adults put their chairs in a circle, and you listen to Oldie's music and had the cooler, and I think that's why I don't like the beach now. I spent so many of my childhood years on the beach, and then I worked at a beachfront water park from like 15 to 22 every summer to pay for my college.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

It's before they had SPF shirts, I'm sure. So you probably got really sunburnt too.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

We wore, well it's really funny. I wore a ton of sunscreen there, and our and they had like a good sunscreen for the lifeguards and stuff at the time, and then I always had a baseball cap on, and I remember coming home and telling my mom, look, I'm tan, and she was like, Oh, that's cute. Like, because tan for me is like everybody else's normal pale skin, I guess. I don't get tan, I get lobster red, and then I peel, and then I'm just pale again, which is what it is. So, you know, that's why I said hot girl summer means something very different to me.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

Now, we'll say growing up, up until I was probably 17, 18, we would go every summer to um Ocean City, New Jersey. And my grandparents had a house right on the beach, and so it's still the only house that if you look down the shore at Ocean City, it's the only house that actually sits on the beach on 49th Street. But they sold it and it since it's been raised, and it was two apartments. So my two uncles and their kids, so all my cousins on my mom's side, and my grandparents and my parents, and we would go almost every weekend, if not longer, because my dad traveled. So my mom would have summers off, and we'd go and hang at the beach. And I remember being like in diapers. I was little, and I remember waking up from a nap, climbing out of my little playpen, and walking down the beach because everybody was on the beach, and that like you leave the doors open, anybody could come in at any time, but nobody was scared about people getting kidnapped, like those things didn't really happen then, you know. Or if they did, nobody really knew about it. Yeah. So but yeah, we used to do that. And then I want to say when I was around seven, towards the end of the summer, we is when we would start coming down to Hilton Head, which is where my parents live now. And so we would come every summer.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

I hope that Hot Girl Summer has moved away from this idea of society's expectation of perfect women. Do you know what I mean? Like perfect shape, perfect hair, perfect everything. Yeah. And has moved more toward confident women. Yeah. You know, I I remember at my healthiest, I was ripped physically. I was so strong. And but I could never, I would never be 110 pounds. I just was never built that way. I've always been a thicker girly. Um and so I think the standards for us when we were younger is that hot girl summer. I could never attain those just because it just wasn't my body type. And I love now that women have evolved to girl, wear whatever you want. Are you healthy? Are you happy? Are you confident? Then you're a hot girl this summer, and I love that energy, and I love supporting all the body positivity and also redefining what that means confidence over societal pressures and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

It's interesting because I had a marketing assignment uh a couple months ago, and they were asking about the marketing campaign, and one of the things I talked about was the Dove campaign that they did, and it was really, I want to say Dove was the first company that came out and spoke about body positivity and started showing women of all shapes, colors, sizes in all of their advertising. So it wasn't just your typical model, right? It was real women in the ads to represent what real women in the world look like. And I think it they that was a really important movement that they did, and I'm glad they did it. And I do think that they continue to do that with a lot of their advertising, and more companies have adopted it now. I don't know if you pay attention to any of the ads, because even a lot of the fitness attire that for women specifically they'll have models of all shapes and sizes. Athleta is a really good company that does that. So it's just nice to see. It's not it wasn't the norm, but it's the reality. And I think the reality is what should be publicized as opposed to unattainable standards.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Unattainable standards, and also I've seen on the flip side, I have relatives who are very naturally thin. It doesn't matter what they eat, if they exercise. I have friends like this, they're very, very thin. And then they would share. Well, people always comment to me, you're so skinny, you're so skinny, blah- and that was hard for them too. And I think we don't appreciate that as much either. I haven't experienced that because I've been thicker my whole life, but I think that must be hard too when you're like, Yeah, I know. I'm, you know, I have a niece who is very skinny. That's just she's Patichi skinny, that's who she is. She looks great all the time. And we need to stop judging women's bodies and making that what determines if you're hot or not. Because I love confident women. Give me a confident queen. I'm like, yes, bold colors. I'm so jealous of women who are so confident they wear really bold bright colors because I don't have that level of confidence to go out, especially like I said, I'm pale, so I'm always like, I'm gonna be drowned out in these colors. But I see a confident queen in some really bold, bright colors, especially in the summers when you see that, and I'm like, yes, I'm gonna roll out the red carpet, do a strut, please.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

It's so funny. So I've been re-watching Cougar Town because 18 years later, watching it, it has a whole different meaning. And I don't know if you're familiar with the show or not, but it's about a um a group of 40-something year old women, and Courtney Cox plays the main character, and then her assistant is she's hilarious, and she wears all these bold colors. And someone in one of the recent episodes said to her something about, oh, you're so bold, I can't believe you wear all these colors. And she's like, Well, when I was in school, everybody made fun of me, but you know what? I've learned to accept it, and it's just who I am, and it's just it's amazing because yes, more power to her. She definitely should be doing that.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Yeah, I'm envious in the best way of women who can pull off bold colors and fun quirky outfits and things like that. It's really funny. I've always been like jeans and sneakers and a t-shirt kind of person. Give me that any day. I'll be so happy and content. Yeah. Let me ask you something. What makes you feel your best?

SPEAKER_01 16:33

Oh, that's a great question. I think typically when I'm well rested, that that usually sets off the tone for a good day. And then, you know, going out on the weekends and getting dolled up is always nice. Um, I used to have a friend that would say, feel your best, what feel your best, do your best, or something like that. And so because I'm like, why do you spend hours doing your makeup every day? Like it's just uh to go to work? That sounds like right, and she's like, Well, look your best, feel your feel your best. And I'm like, Okay, I'm not doing that.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

I do like to wear makeup, I always have, and I have my daughter would rather not under any circumstance. She does not want to wear makeup. But my niece, she actually just graduated from cosmetology school, and when we were younger, she used to be like, Oh my god, Aunt Katie can do the whole face of makeup while she's driving her car. Do not do that, but it's alright, I said that's not safe, but you know, and she loves makeup and she loves to do that. And I'm like, I love that you can either love to put on makeup or you can hate to put on makeup, but go do you because I like it. I have really long eyelashes that when I wear mascara, they almost look fake, but without it, it looks like I have none because they're so light. And so, to your friend's point, look your best, feel your best, and like, yes. And I remember my dad used to say when we were younger, and it was so annoying because when we were in college, and all I don't know if you had this, but people would wear their pajama pants outside. If I was walking to the corner store, I'd walk there in my pajama pants and my slippers. It would give my dad a heart attack. He'd be like, You can't go out in pajamas, and he would say, You have to get up, get up every day, put on clothes, get dressed right away, and then and make your bed, and then it'll set your whole day off rain. And I used to be like, Ugh, you're so annoying, Dad. You're so not connected with the times. And now here I am every day. I'm like, oh, I gotta make my bed. I always make my bed. And I'm like, and I gotta get dressed right away. Even a lazy Saturday, if we're like, oh, it's rainy and we're staying in. Sometimes I'll wanna stay in pajamas all day, and then halfway through the day, I'm like, ugh, I should have put on real clothes, you know, and trying to feel good that way.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Every once in a while, there's a Sunday where I'll stay in my pajamas all day. But it's usually because yeah, I had too much fun the night before, right? But and Christian, he always gets dressed and he will not wear pajamas. Like, I don't care what I look like when I go out in public because I don't care what anybody thinks, right? Like screw. You're not, I'm not worried about you people, right? If I need to go run to the store and get something, it's fine. On the other hand, Christian will not be seen in public with me if I just send over my pajamas on, so I have to go by myself. But yeah, I mean, I I don't really think in college I ever wore pajama pants to class, but I know definitely going to the store or across whatever, I would wear pajama pants. Like, who cares? Whatever.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

I did.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah. And I will tell you during COVID, because everybody was working from home and everybody had to be far away from one another, I would wake up and I would start working in my pajamas, and I could just feel myself being lazier and lazier every day. So then I was very adamant about waking up, working out in my gym in my garage, and then putting on clothes, even jeans, just to sit in my house all day to work because I wanted to feel like I was doing something and it made me feel better. So I get the getting up and getting dressed piece. It definitely makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Yeah, it definitely makes a change for you. Absolutely. Why do you think that women compare their happiness to someone else's version of happiness?

SPEAKER_01 20:17

I don't know. That's a great question. I think part of it comes from they see how happy they are, so then they think they want the things that that person has, right? So like there's it's almost like a jealousy or envy, if you will, of whatever, right? And somebody could be happy, but still have terrible shit happening on a regular basis, you know. So you never really know what anybody's going through. They always say that. But for me, one of the things when I really started my fitness journey like 13 years ago, and uh consistently going to the gym and just eating better food, it was always about I just wanted to be better than I was the day before. And that's something that I've kind of carried on in my personal and professional life now. Like if you compare yourself to someone else, you're never gonna attain anything or because you want something someone else is going after, right? Like it just doesn't, it doesn't add up. It's not fair playing ground, if you will. Um and so I think being able to look at yourself, understand where you are and where you want to be, those are the comparisons that you should be making, as opposed to looking around you and comparing yourself to other people.

SPEAKER_00 21:31

Yeah. It's funny because I look at someone like you who you're like, oh yeah, I was at the gym at 4 30 in the morning, and you've done that for as long as I have known you. That sounds awful to me. I'm and when I want to exercise, I'm like, I gotta find the appropriate time because I'm a night owl, and you I don't want to talk to anyone before 10 a.m. Now, that doesn't mean I'm not up and working. I am. I just don't want to talk to anyone before 10 a.m. And so the idea. Of being at the gym and working out at 4 30 in the morning is like that just sounds awful to me, but I'm super happy for Rebecca because it brings her joy and she's very happy. And so I never understood that because it's like I am I love your commitment to your personal well-being, your fitness. I I definitely envy that, and I wish I had your discipline, but I don't compare us because we're two very different people, and I'm I'm like, I don't know, I never really understood that pressure to be happy the way that someone else is happy. Because to your point, people go through different things. I worked with a woman years ago. She had that kind of energy and personality that was just hilarious, high energy, and happiness all the time. And she didn't care what anybody thought. And she would say and do some of the most ridiculous things, but it was just, she was very into CrossFit too. And she was trying to teach me burpees one time in the staff kitchen, and she ripped her pants. And I mean, she was just the epitome of like a Greek statue, her figure. She was so healthy, right? So physically fit. And I loved being around her, but I never wanted to be her. I couldn't. I could never be her. She was her own person, and I love being around her and having that contagious energy. And when we talked to her, she had overcome a lot. She was a cancer survivor, you know, she just overcome a lot, and she had this positive outlook on life. And so it was like, I you're the kind of person I want to be around, right? I'm not comparing myself to you. I think you're awesome, and I just want to I just want to hang out in your energy. Maybe that would be my definition of hot girl summer. A bunch of hot girls by their own definition, hanging out and influencing each other and empowering each other and just inspiring, you know?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Yeah. Yeah. And that's a community, right? Building your community of happy hot girls for the summer.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Yeah. Speaking of that particular woman I used to work with, I think confidence changes the entire energy of a person more than anything else. You know?

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

Absolutely. When you're confident in you and what you're doing, your definition of hot girl summer, your definition of happiness, whatever it is, it changes completely the kind of people that come into your life, how people engage with you, how you engage with other people, because it's just like I'm not here living. I feel like Matthew McConaughey, L-A-V-A-M.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

But also, when you have a positive mindset, you attract positivity, right? And they always say that. If you're feeling bad, think about positive things, think about things you're grateful for. And then that's what you'll attract. I think that's a good, a good way to give advice to our audience too, right? That if you are down in the dumps and not feeling well, try to find some positivity and put it into your put it into your daily routine somehow, right? And then eventually it'll get more and more and more and continue to build up.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

And also don't wait to do things, right? Especially in the summer, there's this pressure of, well, I'm not gonna go here until I lose this last five pounds, or until I go get my hair done, or I until I go do this. And it's like, no, just go do the thing. Who cares? And and nobody's thinking about you out there or judging you the way you they think you are. And for that small group of people who are judging you, you don't want to know them anyway. They're not the kind of people you want in your circle. So go out, live your life, because they're not gonna be crying over your casket, hopefully a very long time from now. So you go out and do you and have many hot girl summers, and then you know, let those people live in their misery. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

I again I I have learned throughout my life to not really give a shit what people think about me. And so it works for me and against me, right? But yeah, you know, and especially in a professional environment, we've talked about this before. You don't have to like me, but we have to work together, so we have to be cordial. So let's figure it out and move things forward. But yeah, be happy with who you are, and if you're not, find a way to get there because then again, you'll continue to attract people that have that positive mindset as well.

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Yeah, I love people who are just this is who I am, take it or leave it. And they're not mean and they're not uh boisterous or anything like that, they're not egotistical, they're just who they are, right? And they're so much fun to be around and in all different capacities. And then I worry for the people who are worried about what other people think about them, or who are who are postponing life waiting for validation or waiting to fix something, or you know, I feel like just go do it. Who cares? Just do it, yeah. So I think sometimes with summer, I mean, obviously not me because we talked about it, so it doesn't apply here, but I think one of the best parts of summer is that it reminds people that life is supposed to be enjoyed. Yeah, people are off of school, people are traveling a lot more, people plan their vacations during summer, and it's this reminder of disconnecting from the mechanics of life of what's required of you and reconnecting with all of the things that make you feel good and allow you to relax and rest and connect with the people that matter the most to you and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

And recharge being able to recharge. Uh, we've talked about it previously too. Rest is something that you need to be able to work into your schedule because if you're not rested and you're burning out, you're no good to yourself or anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Yeah. So, what makes summer now feel special to you?

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Well, uh every year, 4th of July, we always uh come to Hilton Head to my parents. Unfortunately, most of the time, my partner doesn't come with me because of our pet situation. Someone's gonna stay at home, can't bring all the animals. Uh that that's one of the things is that I get to be with my family. Um and other than that, I feel like it's just another day because we live in hot, swampy Florida, and so every day summer.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

I summer's always special to me, one because like I shared my kids are home a lot more, and so I get to see two different versions. You know, they both work very, very hard during the school year on their academia. And one is an athlete and one is in theater and does performances, and I get to see them come out of their life responsibilities too, right? Live a little lighter, rest, do the things they don't get to do, you know, be lazy, sleep in, wear pajamas all day. But then also, and both of my kids are involved in things in the summer too, of their own choice, and so they get to do the things that light them up. So that's always my favorite part of summer, and then also my husband's birthday is in the summer. So I love celebrating the people that I care about. So that's like a big thing for me in summer, too.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Nice, yeah. I do think I've we've always done like trips here and there throughout the summer, but I do think, you know, as I get older, I want to be more intentional about having different vacations throughout the summer. Um because they're like I said, I want to go back to Colorado in the summer. I don't want to go in the winter. I want to go in the summer so we can go hiking and be in the mountains when it's nice out, uh, not when it's snowing. I don't want to ski. I don't want any of that. I don't want to ski, but I definitely want to snowboard. See, I think I'd still roll down the mountain and just be a snowball at the end. You'd see like the board and nothing else, maybe some hands sticking out the side, but that would be the extent. We could go tubing. We've done that. Tubing's fun. I can do tubing. Tubing's definitely fun.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

I've tried water skiing before, that was very hard.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Oh, yeah. Supposedly anything on water is way more difficult than it would be on snow or anything else. Yeah. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Water skiing was hard just to once you once you get up, you're okay. But getting up when you're moved was just very hard. What are we doing? Yeah. But we did the tubes with the kids. My uncle had a boat and a big lake uh in Tennessee, and we took the kids tubing connected to the boat. That was hilarious. Yeah, that was a good time.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

I've I've done that, I've done that in Florida. I had friends that had a boat, and then um one of my friends and I were on the tube, but he kept trying to throw me off, and I was holding on for dear life. He eventually fell off, but I did not. And he tried to take me, but I was not going. I was like, you're not getting one. I did not want to get in the lake water because no, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

But um so if your summer this year had a theme, what's your theme for the summer?

SPEAKER_01 30:57

Well, the way it's starting, I would say it's probably family because I'm doing a lot of touring, if you will, and going to see a lot of people, and then ending um like in September, my second cousin's getting married, and so I'll get to see all of my extended family then too. So I would take care of it. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

Yeah. That's awesome. Mine, ironically, is focus because we just expanded unapologetic ambition to support not only women but also young adults and then businesses in a different way. And so I'm very locked into how are we supporting those new verticals as well? Which while everyone else is disconnecting this summer, I am really driving in. So that's mine, but then also, like you said, family is always, I think, at the core for me too, a theme to make sure we do some fun stuff, also. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

And I'm dragging my partner with me for some of the family adventures.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

So that'll be nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

No, no, well, the pets, well, end of the summer in September, he'll be going to the wedding with me. So if he'll get to meet everybody on that side of the family, he's only met a couple of them that have actually come to Florida and visit. So yeah, that'll be nice. Aww.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Oh, we'll be nice. So I know we asked some of our listeners ahead of time what would be their theme for summer. These are some of the other ones that we got: reinvention, peace, fun, discipline, adventure, rest, confidence, boundaries, friendships, health, and alignment, which I thought was an interesting one. So lots of themes out there. Yeah. Yeah. And I hope everybody listening today can find a theme for their summer. But I think for me, you can let me know if you agree with me or not. I hope that this summer, women especially, define Hot Girl Summer as personal confidence. Yeah. Confidence in whatever you're doing this summer. Just have that be your theme. Go do the thing, go experience life, go be with the people, get aligned, focus on your business, whatever it is you're doing, but have that confidence as your core and leave behind anything else that takes away from that. Absolutely. All right, it's a good place to end. So happy hot girl summer to our listeners. Wishing you all a cooler summer, if possible. Follow us and all your socials, NFNA Podcast. Until next time.